Parsing the world's hardest PDFs @llama_index. cofounder/CEO Careers: https://t.co/EUnMNmbCtx Enterprise: https://t.co/Ht5jwxSrQB
you guys are really living life at the edge
There is no faster city for flying than San Francisco. 9:10pm: Leave house 9:32pm: Arrive at SFO 9:40pm: Get to gate 9:43pm: Boarding starts 9:48pm: At seat I’ve never done a 38min house-seat time before.
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China has killed the entire vector database industry. They open-sourced TencentDB Agent Memory. It gives any AI agent long-term memory that runs 100% locally. No Pinecone. No cloud APIs. No repeating yourself every session. - 61% fewer tokens - PersonaMem accuracy: 48% → 76%
RT Imaan Sultan 🇵🇰🇸🇦 i’ve tried 150+ coffee shops in SF. these are the only ones worth your morning (grew up in saudi. we don’t drink, so coffee became a core part of my personality) what’s your go-to? i’ll go try it this week :)
The definitive guide to SF coffee shops: Which ones did I miss or underrate? Fully expect to get roasted for this 😉☕️
We hosted an awesome black tie gala last Friday to close out SF tech week huge shoutout to everyone involved with organizing! @ValyuOfficial @MongoDB @daytonaio @arceuslegal @obvious @thelinqapp @lemma_ @Tiny_Fish + ofc @imaanxsultan from our side
Three events, one award, a very respectable 4th place in hot sauce. Our SF Tech Week: → AI Demo Night w/ @ClickHouse + @artie_labs: @imaanxsultan won best demo → @matissemlk took 4th in the Blazel hot sauce competition → Co-hosted the biggest night of SF Tech Week with
RT LlamaIndex 🦙 Three events, one award, a very respectable 4th place in hot sauce. Our SF Tech Week: → AI Demo Night w/ @ClickHouse + @artie_labs: @imaanxsultan won best demo → @matissemlk took 4th in the Blazel hot sauce competition → Co-hosted the biggest night of SF Tech Week with @SpaceX, @Lemma_, @Daytonaio, @Tiny_Fish, and more! Agent Economy Gala: 500+ founders + investors in suits and gowns Thanks to everyone who joined us for a very busy, but fun SF Tech Week :)
Unlimited OCR is a good example of a low-parameter OCR model that can process any document extremely quickly. It's good at reading order and layout, and decent over tables. It is slightly better than PaddleOCR on tables and slightly worse on layout. There are tradeoffs though - it ignores visual elements, formatting, and the most complex tables. It scores ~46.2% and ranks #115 on ParseBench. There's plenty of opportunities to improve this frontier, but Unlimited OCR is still a good milestone! Check out ParseBench: https://www.parsebench.ai/
🚨 CHINA JUST OPEN SOURCED AN OCR THAT EATS 100 PAGE PDFS IN ONE PASS It’s called Unlimited OCR. Only 3B params. Runs locally. Every other OCR tool chops your doc into pages and loses the thread. This one reads the whole thing in one continuous pass. → One shot full context
View quoted postOne of the biggest historical bottlenecks for training specialized models has been curating ground-truth. This is typically a very labor intensive process done with human supervision. Now frontier models/agents are getting better and better at bootstrapping ground-truth from scratch, especially for verifiable tasks. They can do this either in a single-shot setting for simple tasks or simulate longer rollouts with rewards for longer tasks. This paves the way for anyone to build mostly automated research loops without needing deep ML expertise or deep access to human labor for data curation. That part can be offloaded to the frontier model/agent; the human's main goal is to define the right evals. This is especially useful for anyone who wants to optimize for a given task at the price-performance frontier. Posttraining open-weight models/harness should be made available to everyone, not just labs/specific startups. Flow for the average user, who is only responsible for the first step: 1. define goal/evals for a given task 2. run frontier agents to gather ground-truth signals for the task. they can bootstrap annotations directly, and reach out to human review where needed 3. train specialized models (and harness) against this task
long live RAG
Intelligence must draw on memory. The mind must not simply compile data — as an algorithm now does more quickly than we can — but recall lived experiences, which contain depths of meaning that only the human soul can recognize, and connect more deeply with the goodness of these
View quoted postMistral OCR is on OpenDocRouter! For its price, it is decent over tables and reading order. It's also blazing fast at p50 1.8s per page We're constantly bringing in new models since OpenDocRouter launched last week: https://www.opendocrouter.ai/
Today we're announcing OpenDocRouter: every model for document parsing under one API. There are ~4,000 OCR models on Hugging Face, and the frontier labs ship a new one nearly every month. Whatever's best for your docs today won't be by Q1. So stop asking which model to use for
View quoted post"a corollary is that information about product quality will become more important and impactful" This feels like the next evolution of SEO/AEO that every product will try to game. Even if agents do the equivalent of ~10 hours of research on a product, it's less important on whether the product is actually better vs. the agent's perception that the product is better. Agents might do deep research on evals and benchmarks; yet anyone who's worked on evals knows that it's hard to create a truly unbiased one that can universally measure product quality. They might optimize for human preferences, in which case companies will optimize for user reviews and feedback. Companies will optimize for whatever preferences the top AI models have been posttrained on.
Assorted things I've been mulling over regarding agents in the economy: • Companies are in some sense the original superintelligence. It's often the case that they can use their amortized cognitive surplus to advance their interests against those of certain consumers: relative
View quoted postRT Imaan Sultan 🇵🇰🇸🇦 i don't think you guys understand how big this is for tech bros fashion in SF
Uniqlo is back in Downtown San Francisco! The Japanese clothing brand is opening tomorrow, October 9, on 4th and Market. After closing their Powell Street location in 2021, Uniqlo has followed our city’s momentum and recovery and decided to open a new 20,000 square-foot flagship
View quoted postRT LlamaIndex 🦙 What happens when a table contains tables? Usually, a mess. With LlamaParse, it comes out clean. Doc of the Week: Micron’s latest earnings deck. Even with two business units and same row names, LlamaParse keeps all 18 values under the right header. Try it out on your own earnings deck: https://www.llamaindex.ai/llamaparse
RT Harrison Chase eval driven development
These days, you can pretty much solve any task by defining an eval and hillclimbing over it, instead of directly defining the deterministic/agentic workflow to solve it. The data provider companies' entire job is to define evals for all economic activity to make the frontier
View quoted postRT Alejandro AO 🤗 THIS. this is what building software will look like for the next few years. bullish!
These days, you can pretty much solve any task by defining an eval and hillclimbing over it, instead of directly defining the deterministic/agentic workflow to solve it. The data provider companies' entire job is to define evals for all economic activity to make the frontier
View quoted postThese days, you can pretty much solve any task by defining an eval and hillclimbing over it, instead of directly defining the deterministic/agentic workflow to solve it. The data provider companies' entire job is to define evals for all economic activity to make the frontier models capable of doing anything. Your job then becomes pointing frontier intelligence in the right direction - defining what to solve, and how to measure what good looks like. Agent application interfaces will evolve to capture this. The most complex processes will still need some sort of explicit workflow builder interface, but most tasks can be compressed into goals and eval instructions.
Today we’re announcing dots https://dot.com
i'm pulling out my suit for this Huge shoutout to @imaanxsultan and everyone else for organizing!
The Agent Economy Gala just maxed out at 400 guests Here’s a breakdown: - 203 founders ($1B+ raised combined) - 67 founding operators - 58 investors - 23 creators - 295 guests building agent applications or infrastructure Founders @llama_index, @daytonaio, @Tiny_Fish,
RT Imaan Sultan 🇵🇰🇸🇦 The Agent Economy Gala just maxed out at 400 guests Here’s a breakdown: - 203 founders ($1B+ raised combined) - 67 founding operators - 58 investors - 23 creators - 295 guests building agent applications or infrastructure Founders @llama_index, @daytonaio, @Tiny_Fish, @obvious, @thelinqapp Leads at @FireworksAI_HQ, @mercor, @mintlify, @WisprFlow High levels at OpenAI, Google, Meta, NVIDIA, Microsoft, Netflix, Tesla, and SpaceXAI But honestly none of that matters. What matters is there's no fluff. Prioritizing a quality experience, not turnout, because turnout doesn't matter when it's not relevant to the space EVERY person in this room is a main player, actively building out the agent ecosystem If you still want in on the biggest event of TECH WEEK by a16z, reach out to anyone at Lemma, Linq, LlamaIndex, TinyFish, or Obvious See you tomorrow 🥂
fleet week makes me patriotic af
Love WFH during Fleet Week in the nontechnical north. Finally a break from sirens, dogs, and handymen. Just weapons of war flying low over my apartment while I try to shout over them to sell AI models for doc parsing on Zoom.
LightOn OCR-3 is now available on OpenDocRouter, priced at $0.28 / 1m input and $1.40 / 1m output (it is ~$3.19 / 1k pages on ParseBench). We benchmarked it on ParseBench. It is on the pareto frontier for open-weight OCR models, with similar performance as Gemini 3.8 flash low at ~45% lower price. It is decent at tables, workable for charts, and quite good at grounding. Try it out on OpenDocRouter: https://www.opendocrouter.ai/models For the full list of benchmark results, check out ParseBench: https://www.parsebench.ai/
World-leading document recognition. Beyond text extraction. Introducing LightOnOCR-3, our new family of state-of-the-art AI models for document intelligence. Building on LightOnOCR-2, it recognizes text and handwriting, describes images, extracts data from charts and preserves
RT Logan Markewich OpenDocRouter serves LightOnOCR-3-1B now! When benched in the app, we found that our attribution engine produced better bounding boxes than the model itself, leading to higher grounding scores! 🚀 Try it out today: https://opendocrouter.ai
World-leading document recognition. Beyond text extraction. Introducing LightOnOCR-3, our new family of state-of-the-art AI models for document intelligence. Building on LightOnOCR-2, it recognizes text and handwriting, describes images, extracts data from charts and preserves
Markdown has become a universal representation of information between humans and agents. It preserves core primitives needed to express structure (headings, lists), allows agents to read the information in a semantically interpretable manner, and allows for complex elements like tables and charts. You can natively embed HTML as well. But since most unstructured data is not natively within markdown (yet), the issue becomes the translation layer. We've created best models to convert any unstructured document container into markdown. Check out our blog! https://www.llamaindex.ai/blog/markdown-is-all-you-need
Markdown is all you need. (Mostly.) A parser can get every word on the page right and still lose which column a number belongs to. Then your model has to guess. Markdown keeps headings, lists, and tables intact, and it stays readable when you're debugging a bad answer. For
OpenDocRouter is basically OpenRouter for document OCR You can compare and use all your favorite OCR models under a single API / billing interface. They range from some of the lightweight/OSS models (e.g. MinerU) to the latest frontier VLMs (Opus 5.5) Come check it out! https://www.opendocrouter.ai/
Today I’m excited to introduce OpenDocRouter - a unified API for document parsing with the latest frontier and open-weight models. There are a lot of VLMs and OCR models that can be used for document parsing: we have over 130+ models on ParseBench, and a HuggingFace search for
View quoted postthis was a really good business decision and ensures i'll continue using @bot
Important note regarding Grok @Bot: Going forward, @SpaceX will use the best back end model for any given task, including Claude Opus 5.5, MidJourney, Suno and other leading APIs. Whatever is most likely to give you the best outcome.
View quoted postClaude Haiku 5.5 is now available on OpenDocRouter as one of the cheapest models for document parsing. It is roughly $1.2 / 1k pages and does quite well on tables and text reading order compared to other models at this price point. It struggles a bit on charts, semantic formatting, and bounding boxes. Check out OpenDocRouter, which we just launched today! https://www.opendocrouter.ai/models
Introducing Claude Haiku 5.5: the cheapest, fastest, and most capable small model we’ve ever released. On average, it costs around 75% less to run than Claude Haiku 4.5.
View quoted postRT Logan Markewich The power of OpenDocRouter is already working: Anthropic just dropped Haiku 5.5 and we already have initial benchmark results. I see pretty comparable results to Luna overal. Slightly better at tables, but worse at chart understanding. Seems like a decent choice for cost-concerned parsing workloads! Try it out at http://opendocrouter.ai
RT LlamaIndex 🦙 Today we're announcing OpenDocRouter: every model for document parsing under one API. There are ~4,000 OCR models on Hugging Face, and the frontier labs ship a new one nearly every month. Whatever's best for your docs today won't be by Q1. So stop asking which model to use for doc parsing. Ask how fast you can switch. ✅ Switch models in one line: same request, same markdown output, no new prompts or integrations ✅ Any model you want: 10 frontier and open-source models at launch, including Claude Opus 5.5, Gemini 3.8 Flash, GPT-6 Luna, MinerU2.5-Pro and PaddleOCR-VL-1.6 ✅ Choose with receipts: every model scored on ParseBench for quality and cost ✅ Traceable output from any model: "layout: true" adds grounded bounding boxes and the same layout classes, even for models that don't support it natively ✅ Pay only for what works: per-token pricing, failed pages never charged, top up from $25 The spread is the point: $0.86 to $48.82 per 1,000 pages, depending on what your documents actually need. Live now → http://opendocrouter.ai
RT Murtaza Khomusi It's SF tech week and here's how we celebrated at @llama_index 🦙: 1. @imaanxsultan pitched our product in a room full of founders and won best pitch of the night 2. @matissemlk placed third in a hot wings eating contest until he was sick, also in a room of founders Peak alpha energy.
RT Beff (e/acc) Any investor that understands this should be going all in on deep tech right now Technologies that required too much intellectual activation energy have suddenly become unlocked
OCR is the perfect example of a use case that has been dominated by legacy/brittle systems, and can be solved both accurately and cheaply by applying the right amount of agentic intelligence. A properly tuned agentic OCR needs to dynamically apply extra compute to complex elements, review and correct failures, and create the right semantic meaning throughout the page. It's a task that frontier models are both overengineered for in terms of cost and latency, and struggle at over a long tail of complex edge cases. Check out this blog post by @LoganMarkewich below: https://www.llamaindex.ai/blog/ocr-is-dead-long-live-agentic-ocr
OCR is dead 🪦 Long live agentic OCR! Traditional OCR makes one pass and hands back whatever text it got. Tables get flattened, charts disappear, and multi-column layouts come out scrambled. Nothing checks the output. Agentic OCR treats parsing as a loop instead: ✅
RT Imaan Sultan 🇵🇰🇸🇦 There's a party on Friday night that most of SF Tech Week will only hear about on Saturday. So, we made a vintage film to announce it. In the 1920s, inventions were rewriting everyday life and nobody knew which bets would hold. Those building in the agent space know it feels exactly like that. So we're throwing a gala like it's that era. The same type that Gatsby would love. The Agent Economy Gala. Friday, October 9. Co-hosted by @llama_index, @daytonaio, @SpaceX, @lemma_, @thelinqapp, @obvious, @Tiny_Fish and more. Invite only. You won't find a link here. If you want in, comment below what you're building. We're reading every single one.
RT LlamaIndex 🦙 The biggest night of SF Tech Week is black tie. 120+ agent founders, 50 investors, and live jazz at the Redwood Room on Friday for the Agent Economy Gala. Invite only. We're excited to be partnering with @SpaceX, @Daytonaio, @lemma_, @Tiny_Fish, @thelinqapp, @Obvious & more. Link to request an invite in below or comment what you're building!
RT LlamaIndex 🦙 OCR is dead 🪦 Long live agentic OCR! Traditional OCR makes one pass and hands back whatever text it got. Tables get flattened, charts disappear, and multi-column layouts come out scrambled. Nothing checks the output. Agentic OCR treats parsing as a loop instead: ✅ layout-aware reading order ✅ smart routing of hard elements to the right model ✅ multi-pass verification and self-correction ✅ multimodal parsing of charts, images, and complex tables Logan Markewich, LlamaIndex's Head of Open Source, wrote about what that shift looks like in practice and where it's still struggling. Link to the breakdown in the comments below.
RT Imaan Sultan 🇵🇰🇸🇦 it's sf tech week and this year is the first time i'm hosting, which means i get to see the chaos from the other side 🌟 a few things i've learned from past years: 1/ paying to attend or pitch at events is a scam 2/ have a reason for every event on your cal. there are thousands this week. know why you're going and what you'd want to walk out with. "free snacks" is a valid reason btw 3/ take muni or walk. ubers are about to get wildly expensive 4/ ask for people's twitters. once you've added 3,000 people on linkedin it's genuinely impossible to remember who you actually talked to 5/ come to our founders + investors gala on oct 9. rsvp link is in the comments!! welcome to sf and lmk if you need any help finding cool events to go to :D
I agree that chatgpt/codex has the current best agent interface for deep work. - It unifies all my work (coding/knowledge work) in one interface. Toggling between chatgpt/codex doesn't have explicitly separate flows - It has forking (why doesn't the claude app have forking?) Claude Code CLI is probably the best that a CLI app can get. I still love Opus 5.5, especially for product demos, but mostly use it through the CLI. But sometimes having a GUI is nicer.
I haven’t touched Claude Code or Codex CLI in a while. The terminal era is over imo. It's the wrong interface for coding agents. Tabs are ephemeral, but context is persistent, and managing 30 tabs is pure cognitive overhead. I don’t really need an IDE like Cursor either. I
View quoted postWe got extremely good at extracting a scanned from layer by layer 📋 - from printed fields, overlaid text, handwriting, and reviewer annotations. For instance, on an annotated permit, our Extract agents can extract out both the original permit number but also any drawn/handwritten annotations on top. they're also grounded exactly in the source text. our agents reduce error rates by 2x+, at a small fraction of the price compared to using a frontier model. Our Extract v2.5 agents are SOTA in price/performance, and scanned forms are just one example. Come check it out! Extract v2.5: https://www.llamaindex.ai/blog/introducing-extract-v2-5 Available in LlamaParse: https://cloud.llamaindex.ai/
Today we’re introducing Extract v2.5 - a series of frontier agents tuned for document extraction. The agents (cost-effective, agentic, agentic plus) are tuned for value accuracy and grounding. Our extraction agents outperform Opus 5.5 and GPT-6 Sol while being 30%-4x cheaper.
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sfo probably the only airport in the world where you can leave your house an hour and a half before your international flight and still have time to spare before boarding
View quoted postOur new extraction agents are extremely good at reasoning over tables that span multiple pages sometimes a record starts on one page and finishes on the next. extremely common for real world docs (insurance claims, regulatory filings, legal schedules) - for instance you print Word / Google Doc to PDF our agents can piece these cells along with hundreds/thousands of other cells into clean, structured tabular output. come check it out: https://www.llamaindex.ai/blog/introducing-extract-v2-5 come sign up to llamaparse: https://cloud.llamaindex.ai/
Today we’re introducing Extract v2.5 - a series of frontier agents tuned for document extraction. The agents (cost-effective, agentic, agentic plus) are tuned for value accuracy and grounding. Our extraction agents outperform Opus 5.5 and GPT-6 Sol while being 30%-4x cheaper.
View quoted postRT AI Engineer 🔜 NYC 🗽 Can your agent read the documents your business runs on? @jerryjliu0 on parsing, search & source citations. World’s Fair 2026 recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQi7x-navxU Keep learning with us in NYC, Oct 12–14. Tickets: https://ai.engineer/nyc/2026
RT LlamaIndex 🦙 The BEA's new Q2 GDP-by-state was released, but the key data is entirely in an infographic, without a text-layer. LlamaParse's agentic parsing tier understands documents like this by default, and faithfully records data, turning the page into a 52-row table. Source: https://www.bea.gov/sites/default/files/2026-09/gdp2q26-3rd.pdf
one of the most challenging tasks for frontier models is being able to extract thousands of values from extremely dense tables in documents. our new Extract v2.5 agents are able to get 93%-96%+ on long-list extraction, including cells that fall in between pages. in contrast, astra gets ~30% accuracy over this benchmark. in these cases, frontier VLMs can stop early or miss repeated records. they also struggle to attribute each value back to the source. we are able to attribute every single extracted value back to the source. check out the video below, the blog post, and llamaparse! blog: https://www.llamaindex.ai/blog/introducing-extract-v2-5 llamaparse: https://cloud.llamaindex.ai/
Today we’re introducing Extract v2.5 - a series of frontier agents tuned for document extraction. The agents (cost-effective, agentic, agentic plus) are tuned for value accuracy and grounding. Our extraction agents outperform Opus 5.5 and GPT-6 Sol while being 30%-4x cheaper.
View quoted postRT Tim Baer Records that span multiple pages: 85.5% → 96.5%. That's where we most often see customers get stuck with existing tools. With citations on every value, the output is easy to trust. Great work from the team!
Today we’re introducing Extract v2.5 - a series of frontier agents tuned for document extraction. The agents (cost-effective, agentic, agentic plus) are tuned for value accuracy and grounding. Our extraction agents outperform Opus 5.5 and GPT-6 Sol while being 30%-4x cheaper.
View quoted postRT Logan Markewich Turns out sometimes, you can just rebuild things. Congrats to the team on the launch! 🦙 🚀
Today we’re introducing Extract v2.5 - a series of frontier agents tuned for document extraction. The agents (cost-effective, agentic, agentic plus) are tuned for value accuracy and grounding. Our extraction agents outperform Opus 5.5 and GPT-6 Sol while being 30%-4x cheaper.
View quoted postToday we’re introducing Extract v2.5 - a series of frontier agents tuned for document extraction. The agents (cost-effective, agentic, agentic plus) are tuned for value accuracy and grounding. Our extraction agents outperform Opus 5.5 and GPT-6 Sol while being 30%-4x cheaper. We’ve made massive improvements on complex extraction over * long lists (86.1% -> 95.5% on our agentic tier) * records spanning pages (85.5% -> 96.5%) * scanned forms (90.9% -> 95.7%) We’ve also launched the following features: ✅ Advanced citations: we locate bounding boxes for all supporting values for an inferred field, even if there's not an exact match. ✅ Structural Reasoning: we tailor document extraction algorithms depending on the type, layout, and information Our extraction agents are SOTA in price-performance on ExtractBench, across a wide range of cost points. We are the best tool for document extraction across documents of any complexity. Blog: https://www.llamaindex.ai/blog/introducing-extract-v2-5 All of these are available on LlamaParse: https://cloud.llamaindex.ai/ . Come check it out!
RT Corey J. Gallon PDFs aren't built for machines: text shows up as glyphs with coordinates, tables as line segments instead of table structures. @jerryjliu0, CEO of LlamaIndex, digs into what that means for AI agents in "Building the Document Context Layer for AI Agents," posted by @aiDotEngineer on YouTube. The talk lays out what it actually takes to turn the messy stack of enterprise documents into context an agent can use, from parsing through search to structured extraction. - 10 trillion-plus pages, locked up. That's how much human-native knowledge Jerry pegs as sitting in PDFs, PowerPoints, Word docs, and Excel sheets today. - Parsing is hard because the format fights you. PDFs are built for printing, so text comes in as individual glyphs with coordinates and tables render as line segments, not table structures. Word and PowerPoint aren't much better: their XML is bespoke and full of fluff an agent has to see through. - Pipeline parsers vs. vision models, and why LlamaIndex uses both. Classic tools like PyPDF and PyMuPDF handle structure well but miss visual context; VLM-based parsing reads the page but can hallucinate on text-only content and gets expensive fast. Jerry describes combining both, with auto-routing between cheaper specialized models and frontier ones. - ParseBench. A public benchmark of 2,000 human-verified pages testing document parsing across roughly 50 models on tables, charts, content faithfulness, and semantic formatting, live at http://parsebench.ai and mirrored on Hugging Face and Kaggle. - LightParse. A free, Rust-based, MIT/Apache-licensed open source markdown parser built for a fast first pass over a big batch of documents, before handing the harder pages to a VLM-based tool. - Structured extraction at scale. Pulling data out of invoices, receipts, claims, and contracts with confidence scores and citations back to the source document. I'm working through the published talks from AI Engineer World's Fair sharing summaries and takeaw...
RT LlamaIndex 🦙 How many people show up on a Tuesday night to talk about document processing for AI agents? 🤔 In New York, enough to fill the room and start a waitlist. In San Francisco, almost 600. We were in both cities on the same night to talk about one problem: agents don't read documents the way people do. Look at an invoice and you can tell the monthly rate from the total in a second. An agent often gets the words without the layout, so it has to guess. In New York, we partnered with @usekernel on @braintrust's Agent Builders Night. In San Francisco, we partnered with @WorkOS on @daytonaio's AI Builders event. Thanks to them for having us, and to Abrar and Yong from our team for speaking!
RT Daytona Last night, we hosted our monthly @daytonaio AI Builders Demo Night at the @WorkOS office in San Francisco! Great demos, conversations, and energy from the AI builder community. Huge thanks to @llama_index for partnering with us, @WorkOS for hosting us, and everyone who joined and shared what they’re building. See you soon at the next one!
System one models are extremely useful for a variety of document tasks that require fast decisions: * orientation detection * language detection * classification * splitting We benchmarked Jev with other OSS models (some general classifiers, some document-specific) against a variety of these tasks. We measured accuracy, cost, and latency. Jev tops most of the benchmarks here across the 3 dimensions. We're excited to use it and learn from it to continue advancing the frontiers of doc understanding! YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLZ1dUOZG74 Repo: https://github.com/run-llama/jev_vs_oss
Document parsing requires a lot of on-the-fly decision making. We explored the early approaches to Jev and Jev-like models on several documents tasks like orientation detection, language detection, routing, and more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLZ1dUOZG74
View quoted posti kinda wish dots was a standalone app and not part of chatgpt. as it stands, it feels like a product feature (e.g. GPTs) and not a big, exciting new release. i might understand why they did it though - chatgpt is the canonical application-layer brand for openai, and creating a separate product would create contention with this brand. they had already spent a lot of work unifying codex, work, and chat into the desktop app. they have to support existing interaction patterns with chtgpt but also evolve into this new world of cloud agents and always-on assistants. any company willing to launch a new focused agent product (instinct / muse) will then have an advantage, because they will be able to concentrate mindshare around the specific space they are known for. openai could do it, but at the risk of cannibalizing the chatgpt brand. feels like some version of the innovators dilemma
we comprehensively benchmarked gpt-6.1 sol on document OCR tasks. compared to gpt-6 sol from a week ago (!), we see a sizable increase in table parsing capabilities and reading order, which is pleasantly surprising. gpt-6.1 sol has similar table parsing as gpt-6 astra. these are great results. frontier models are still typically an order of magnitude more expensive than cost-effective document parsing solutions, but this also means that there's a lot of alpha in improving capabilities at the "premium" end (>1c per page) of the spectrum too check out ParseBench: https://www.parsebench.ai/ for a comprehensive set of document parsing capabilities, check out llamaparse: https://cloud.llamaindex.ai/
RT vincent sunn chen awesome discussion with @jerryjliu0 and a great group! one theme: data must be developed to be useful users/enterprises have a trove of interesting & valuable raw data (e.g. patient records, historical images/documents), but making that ready for evaluation and training requires a new form of engineering & research. this requires new interfaces & programming models involving subject matter experts to make the resulting data & environments sufficiently difficult/fair/complex!
Yesterday I hosted a fun dinner conversation with @vincentsunnchen from @SnorkelAI on evals and RL environments. The "data and RL env" companies (like Snorkel) have seen massive growth in the past few years. There's been an explosion of interest in evals. At the same time,
Yesterday I hosted a fun dinner conversation with @vincentsunnchen from @SnorkelAI on evals and RL environments. The "data and RL env" companies (like Snorkel) have seen massive growth in the past few years. There's been an explosion of interest in evals. At the same time, models are ripping through benchmarks with each new release. We talked about the evals everyone is defining, what evals are still left unsolved, what’s left up to frontier models vs. intelligence that you own, and more: - A big challenge for building RL environments is “fairness” - when the model fails on a given environment, can you attribute it to the input, harness, or reward model? - Building proper rewards is hard. Some tasks are not easily quantifiable. You also want to discourage reward hacking. At the same time, you don’t want to be too prescriptive with intermediate rewards. - Long horizon evals are still extremely hard, some business processes can take up to weeks or months before the final outcome - Most regulated industries still need human in the loop to guarantee ~100% accuracy, “80%” accuracy is not good enough - As models get more intelligent, there will be a barbell of boutique data vendors (e.g. any SMB) any scaled up data providers. - Models still exhibit “jagged intelligence” where they still fail on a long tail of edge cases. - There might always be opportunities to gather unique data for a given task and posttrain models for lower cost and higher accuracy. This marks #003 in our founder dinner series. What topic should we discuss next? Let us know your thoughts below!
RT LlamaIndex 🦙 Document parsing requires a lot of on-the-fly decision making. We explored the early approaches to Jev and Jev-like models on several documents tasks like orientation detection, language detection, routing, and more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLZ1dUOZG74
We built state-of-the-art models for reading forms 📋 Form documents have the following properties that trip up VLMs: ✅ They carry much more structure than can be represented in standard markdown. You need consistent types for checkboxes, textboxes, labels, signature fields. ✅ They can be extremely complicated (forms can be scanned, there can handwriting scribbles, some forms are dense with ~100+ fields) but accuracy requirements need to be close to 100% ✅ Any form parser requires accurate grounding and attribution. Not only should you extract the values, but you should also be able to precisely locate where each value came from in the source doc ✅ Any form needs to be not only accurate, but cheap/fast We've done a deep-dive into what it takes to build a form parser in this blog post: https://www.llamaindex.ai/blog/why-vlms-can-t-read-forms If you want to try out our form models, check out LlamaParse: https://cloud.llamaindex.ai/
Parsing forms still trips up the latest frontier VLMs. A form isn't text on a page. It's a set of fields, grouped into sections, each tied to a specific box. That's why forms need purpose-built parsing, not a bigger general model: ✅️ Detect every field, not just the obvious
if this takes off, then i was 4 years too early 😭 https://x.com/jerryjliu0/status/1590192512639332353 only OGs remember gpt tree index
The entire RAG industry is about to get cooked. Researchers developed a new RAG approach that bypasses almost everything traditional RAG depends on. - No vector DB - No data embeddings - No chunking - No similarity search It's called PageIndex. Instead of splitting your
RT LlamaIndex 🦙 Parsing forms still trips up the latest frontier VLMs. A form isn't text on a page. It's a set of fields, grouped into sections, each tied to a specific box. That's why forms need purpose-built parsing, not a bigger general model: ✅️ Detect every field, not just the obvious ones ✅️ Keep the hierarchy of sections and fields ✅️ Tie every value to the exact box it came from ✅️ Understand handwriting and checkmarks Our latest blogpost breaks down where VLMs fail on real W-2s, 1040s, W-9s and scanned W-4s, and a custom cookbook for LlamaParse to handle them at a fraction of the cost 👇 https://www.llamaindex.ai/blog/why-vlms-can-t-read-forms
this sounds less like there's something fundamentally wrong with devin, and more some tweaks that need to happen on sales enablement
So I know Cognition doesn’t care about Little Ole’ Me, and this is just my story, so take it with a grain of salt, but here’s why I don’t think all these crazy scaling revenue numbers by coding agents are going to stick: We’ve been happy Devin users for a while. Really like the
View quoted postfor everyone saying "just use voice", i type faster than i can talk coherently lol
We comprehensively evaluated 16 recent frontier VLMs - including Opus 5.5 and GPT-6 Sol/Luna - on whether higher effort led to better document parsing performance. Higher effort typically leads to improvements on other benchmarks (coding, knowledge work), but up until recently it wasn't obvious that this natively improved capabilities for reading PDFs. Results: ✅ Out of the frontier models, Opus 5.5 has the best performance relative to its price. It's especially good at parsing tables. ✅ Astra is also quite good, but starts at a more expensive price than Opus. ✅ GPT-6 Luna is more compelling at the cheaper end of doc parsing If you're parsing documents at scale, you'll still want a dedicated OCR solution like LlamaParse (https://cloud.llamaindex.ai/) that has better performance at a cheaper price. But if you're parsing docs "in the agent loop" within an app like Codex/Claude code, and you're too lazy to integrate a dedicated solution, then Opus 5.5 is currently the leader. Full results on ParseBench: https://www.parsebench.ai/
blank cells in tables can mess up agent decision making many document OCR tools struggle with reading multiple blank cells in a document and cause values to be shifted from the original column and rows. this causes the wrong numerical interpretation downstream. This is a nice illustration of what happens! If you have complex documents where table accuracy is extremely important, come check out LlamaParse: http://cloud.llamaindex.ai/signup
A blank cell can change the meaning of a forecast. Four times a year, the Fed's 18 top policymakers each put their forecasts on paper: where growth, jobs, inflation, and interest rates are headed. This is September 2026's edition, home of the "dot plot" that markets treat as the
i always appreciate some great writing, we have too little of it these days
Here’s to the wanting. Here’s to the dreaming. Here’s to everyone. https://x.com/i/article/1884367148363177984
View quoted postRT LlamaIndex 🦙 A blank cell can change the meaning of a forecast. Four times a year, the Fed's 18 top policymakers each put their forecasts on paper: where growth, jobs, inflation, and interest rates are headed. This is September 2026's edition, home of the "dot plot" that markets treat as the Fed tipping its hand. This release is the closest thing to the Fed saying what it plans to do. Most analysts will want to throw this documents to an AI agent, but this messy doc is dense: full of complex tables and charts that hold valuable context. All things that frequently trip up raw LLM APIs. The Fed’s September 2026 projections table includes a 2029 column, but its June comparison row leaves that cell empty. This is a common but silent failure point for document parsers. We parsed page 2 with LlamaParse and checked the displayed GDP median excerpt against the original PDF. All nine numbers matched and the data stays aligned in the returned HTML. Try LlamaParse on a table where headers and missing cells matter. https://cloud.llamaindex.ai/signup Source: https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/files/fomcprojtabl20260916.pdf
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predicting model uncertainty is a hard problem. perfectly "calibrated" confidence scores are exact probability values on whether the output is correct. this is extremely important for agentic decision making, including document extraction. i made a sick video below showing how confidence scores can be used to choose decision thresholds and vary precision / recall. if you set a really high threshold, then you automate less, but more of the automated extraction is correct. if you set a low threshold, then you automate more, but there's more errors in the extraction. check out our blog! https://www.llamaindex.ai/blog/what-makes-an-extraction-confidence-score-useful
confidence scores only matter if they help you decide what to automate. for document extraction, that usually means knowing how much work you can safely accept at a given precision target. in our latest post, we look at confidence scoring through that lens, including: ✅️
View quoted postThis is a fantastic blog post from our research team on the importance of calibrated confidence scores. Here it's in the context of document extraction, it's also extremely important for more general agentic decision making (eg with Jev) When you set a confidence threshold, you can choose to automatically accept values above that threshold and do HITL review of values below the threshold. The higher the confidence threshold, the higher precision you're able to guarantee (e.g. confidence of 0.7 could mean 95% precision, confidence of 0.9 could mean 98% precision), but of course the more human review you'd have to do on false negatives. We've put in a lot of work to make sure our confidence scores are well calibrated and represents real uncertainty over complex documents in production. Come check out our blog: https://www.llamaindex.ai/blog/what-makes-an-extraction-confidence-score-useful LlamaParse: https://cloud.llamaindex.ai/
confidence scores only matter if they help you decide what to automate. for document extraction, that usually means knowing how much work you can safely accept at a given precision target. in our latest post, we look at confidence scoring through that lens, including: ✅️
View quoted postRT LlamaIndex 🦙 confidence scores only matter if they help you decide what to automate. for document extraction, that usually means knowing how much work you can safely accept at a given precision target. in our latest post, we look at confidence scoring through that lens, including: ✅️ confidence cutoffs ✅️ precision vs. recall ✅️ score coverage ✅️ score granularity ✅️ human review volume using ExtractBench, we compare how different extraction systems perform after confidence filtering. at a 97% precision target, LlamaParse Agentic Plus reached 66.48% recall on expected fields after filtering. the useful part of a confidence score isn’t the number itself. it’s whether you can use it to control automation and review in production. 👉️ read the full post: https://www.llamaindex.ai/blog/what-makes-an-extraction-confidence-score-useful
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we've built the world's most advanced engine for document extraction over complex documents the video below shows an overview of LlamaExtract Agentic Plus in action. long tables, giant forms, calibrated confidence scores, and grounded extraction. if you have complex document extraction use cases and existing vendors aren't cutting it, let us know: https://www.llamaindex.ai/promo/switch come sign up to LlamaParse today: https://cloud.llamaindex.ai/
RT Imaan Sultan 🇵🇰🇸🇦 week 2 at @llama_index: pitched a vlog series week 3: filming mr. beast at the u.s. open 🎾 introducing ep. 1 of Unindexed: the behind-the-scenes (and occasionally chaotic) side of llamaindex we hosted CTOs + eng leaders at the u.s. open, talked doc processing across finance, legal, and healthcare, and somehow ended up with mr. beast and the williams sisters on camera more chaos coming soon :D
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Opus 5.5 is the best frontier model for parsing tables in PDFs. We ran it through ParseBench, and it scored 93.9%, a 7%+ increase over Opus 5, and beating Fable/Gemini/Astra. It's comparable to LlamaParse Agentic Plus in table quality, though it still struggles on charts, formatting, and layout. It's also 5.8c a page, which is too expensive to be a production OCR solution. Full results on ParseBench: https://www.parsebench.ai/ If you want Opus 5.5-level table quality, consistent parse quality + metadata for all edge cases, at the fraction of the cost, come check out LlamaParse. We have volume discounts for all modes and can help you set up customized routing between Agentic Plus, Agentic, and cost-effective: https://cloud.llamaindex.ai/